Hi and welcome:

First of all, Lori - hold Brian while I answer this post!

Many of the answers to these questions may be read in the FAQ's located from the main page of the Letterboxing.org website.

I also have a talk list for new boxers, which I would like to invite you to join at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/

You may read previous posts, use links to educate yourself on this hobby and ask all of those questions you may have as a beginner.

Have fun and just get out there & box!!!

Mark Pepe
http://markandsuepepe.blogspot.com/


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I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher and
have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into it a
bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I will
probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
that many out there at this time.

That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks get
your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some unlined
"journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem is
they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a lot
of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
that's reasonably priced?

Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this? Are
there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?

Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
expect.

F_M







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F_M,
Here are a few sites you can check out and find most of the answers
to your questions.

Don


Letterboxing.org:
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq/faq.html

Silent Doug's site:
http://www.letterboxing.info/

AtlasQuest:
http://www.atlasquest.com/

newboxers' group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/








--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher
and
> have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into
it a
> bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I
will
> probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> that many out there at this time.
>
> That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks
get
> your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
> you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
> good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some
unlined
> "journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem
is
> they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a
lot
> of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
> that's reasonably priced?
>
> Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people
also
> write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people
write
> up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It
seems
> like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so
would
> expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this?
Are
> there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?
>
> Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
> expect.
>
> F_M

Hi F_M.

First, welcome to letterboxing. I do letterboxing with the occasional geocache. From what I've seen, a majority of letterboxers carve their stamp with whatever design appeals to them, some simple and some elaborate, but many use a purchased stamp or use a stamp that they designed and had custom made. My journal was under $10. It's a Strathmore sketch pad, 5.5" x 8.5" using 60lb acid free paper with a spiral binding to make it easier to lay flat.

Also, I'd recommend joining the Newboxer's group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/. There's less traffic and it's designed for people that are new to letterboxing and those that want to help them with their questions.

Regards,
Choi

----- Original Message -----
From: fritz_monroe
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:02
Subject: [LbNA] New letterboxer questions




I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher and
have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into it a
bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I will
probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
that many out there at this time.

That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks get
your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some unlined
"journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem is
they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a lot
of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
that's reasonably priced?

Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this? Are
there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?

Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
expect.

F_M







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Ok, folks, thanks for the links. However, I have looked at the links,
except for the Atlas Quest one, and that's why I posted my questions
here. They weren't answered to my liking on those sites. I haven't
had time to look at the Atlas Quest site yet, and didn't know it even
existed.

I'm interested in different people's opinions, not just the web site
designer's opinion. I'm interested in how people came up with their
design, what their opinion on the different notebooks available, and
what people put into the logs.

I may be a newbie here, but I've been in many different yahoo groups
and know to do a little homework first. Thanks in advance.

F_M


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher and
> have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into it a
> bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I will
> probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> that many out there at this time.
>
> That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks get
> your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
> you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
> good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some unlined
> "journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem is
> they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a lot
> of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
> that's reasonably priced?
>
> Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
> write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
> up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
> like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
> expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this? Are
> there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?
>
> Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
> expect.
>
> F_M

My personal stamp design is from my college alma mater. Most, but not
all, people pick something personally meaningful. Some people pick a design
that's just cool or pretty. Carving your own stamps is considered
preferable, so most people do that, though there are some store-bought
stamps that you'll see floating around out there. There's no stigma, per
se, but people find it more rewarding in general to find a box with a
hand-carved stamp, or to see hand-carved stamp images in box logs.
Also, there's no need to pay that much money for a journal. I bought an
art sketchbook, heavy paper and about half the size of a piece of filler
paper for about $10. Go to an art store or even Staples should have
something in their art supply section that should do you just fine.
As for whether people write log entries, some do. Everybody writes
their "trail name" and the date they were there. Some people make personal
notations about the weather or the hike, or something about the box itself
if they feel moved to. But most entries, I've found, are pretty basic.
Unlike geocaching, there are no trade items. What's traded are images in
your logbook. Sometimes you'll find what's called a "hitchhiker," which is
another stamp and logbook residing temporarily inside or next to a
letterbox. You take that hitchhiker with you and then deposit it in another
location, basically. But that's the only time I can think of that you would
take something from a letterbox, unless it was a letterbox/geocache hybrid.

Best,
Longhorn



>
> I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher and
> have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into it a
> bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I will
> probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> that many out there at this time.
>
> That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks get
> your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
> you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
> good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some unlined
> "journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem is
> they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a lot
> of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
> that's reasonably priced?
>
> Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
> write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
> up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
> like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
> expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this? Are
> there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?
>
> Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
> expect.
>
> F_M





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On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 12:50 PM, fritz_monroe wrote:

> I'm interested in different people's opinions, not just the web site
> designer's opinion. I'm interested in how people came up with their
> design, what their opinion on the different notebooks available, and
> what people put into the logs.


Just my .00003 of a cent..... From a near-newbie..... :-)

Stamp designs - I'm pretty new myself, but have noticed that new folks
tend to worry about this a lot. My signature stamp relates to another
hobby of mine. I collect Pez, so my stamp is a negative carving of my
favorite dispenser. My daughter uses a ladybug since she's always been
my Little Bug. Some who LB with their dogs use a pic of their dog.
Others just use a motif they happen to like - dragons, celtic knots,
pumpkins, fish, flowers, characters etc..... Really, anything works and
you can change your signature stamp later if you want. (I ran into a
woman on the trail this past weekend who has seasonal signature stamps!)

Notebooks - anything unlined that's 3x5 or larger should work and be
large enough for most stamps you find. You can get into acid-free if
you want. I use a book that was originally sold to be a journal - it's
about 6x8 and probably not archival, but it works well. Some folks use
a spiral-bound set of 3x5 cards. Some folks simply stamp onto a loose
3x5 card and then put the stamp in a larger notebook when they get home.

As for what goes into logs - it's whatever you want at the moment. I
mostly see just a trail name and date, but some folks add a short note
related to the stamp, the location, or the hike to the location. Nobody
expects amazing prose, though I am sure the logbook owner wouldn't mind
if you were so moved.

There are usually no exchanges of trinkets, just stamp images.
Occasionally, someone will leave a small token for the first finder or
something like a bunch of pins so that each finder can have one, but
this is not the norm in my experience. If you find items in the box,
check the logbook and.or clues to see if it's something you should take
- it might be something someone left for the box' creator as a
thank-you.......

So, my advice probably boils down to this - if you find yourself
obsessing (I think we all do over something at the beginning), take a
deep breath and just move forward. It's much more fun to be out there
hunting LBs than to be worried about the 'correct' stamp or logbook.

HTH
pezpam

I would like to interject here on one little note.....hand carved or store bought still cost someone time/$$ to place in a box ~ I myself do a combination of both ~ and any reward is better than finding the box empty.....

Doglvrs
----- Original Message -----
From: Kathryn Wolfe
To: 'letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: New letterboxer questions


My personal stamp design is from my college alma mater. Most, but not
all, people pick something personally meaningful. Some people pick a design
that's just cool or pretty. Carving your own stamps is considered
preferable, so most people do that, though there are some store-bought
stamps that you'll see floating around out there. There's no stigma, per
se, but people find it more rewarding in general to find a box with a
hand-carved stamp, or to see hand-carved stamp images in box logs.
Also, there's no need to pay that much money for a journal. I bought an
art sketchbook, heavy paper and about half the size of a piece of filler
paper for about $10. Go to an art store or even Staples should have
something in their art supply section that should do you just fine.
As for whether people write log entries, some do. Everybody writes
their "trail name" and the date they were there. Some people make personal
notations about the weather or the hike, or something about the box itself
if they feel moved to. But most entries, I've found, are pretty basic.
Unlike geocaching, there are no trade items. What's traded are images in
your logbook. Sometimes you'll find what's called a "hitchhiker," which is
another stamp and logbook residing temporarily inside or next to a
letterbox. You take that hitchhiker with you and then deposit it in another
location, basically. But that's the only time I can think of that you would
take something from a letterbox, unless it was a letterbox/geocache hybrid.

Best,
Longhorn



>
> I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher and
> have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into it a
> bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I will
> probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> that many out there at this time.
>
> That being said, I have a couple questions. Where did you folks get
> your ideas for your personal stamps? Did you make your own, or did
> you buy a stamp? I'm planning on making mine, but can't think of a
> good design right now. Now for the log books. I've seen some unlined
> "journal" types of books out there. Really nice, but the problem is
> they are expensive. I've seen some for over $100. Now that's a lot
> of money for a notebook. Any suggestions on a good quality book
> that's reasonably priced?
>
> Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
> write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
> up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
> like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
> expect elaborate prose. Would I be disappointed expecting this? Are
> there trade items, or is the entire experience the find?
>
> Sorry for the long post, just trying to get a handle on what to
> expect.
>
> F_M





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You went through ALL of the tutorials at the links I posted? Try
perusing the Links and Files section on the left side of this page.

Don



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
wrote:
>
> Ok, folks, thanks for the links. However, I have looked at the
links,
> except for the Atlas Quest one, and that's why I posted my
questions
> here. They weren't answered to my liking on those sites.

I had looked into letterboxing previously, so I had done some research
about a year ago. Then my interest again got piqued when I saw that
there were many more in the area that I had remembered. I didn't know
the Atlas Quest sight existed, so I had never gone thru that one.
I've signed up for the newbie group, and did a some searching thru
that one. I have been thru the letterboxing.org site previously, and
that site led me to the Silent Doug site, which I went thru at that
same time.

F_M

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> You went through ALL of the tutorials at the links I posted? Try
> perusing the Links and Files section on the left side of this page.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, folks, thanks for the links. However, I have looked at the
> links,
> > except for the Atlas Quest one, and that's why I posted my
> questions
> > here. They weren't answered to my liking on those sites.

F.M.-- one note about personal logbooks that I haven't seen much attention to, is being sure that the paper is smooth enough to make a good image when you stamp in it. Our family all has bound art sketchbooks, each of a different shape/ color so we can tell them apart quickly from the outside. Most of them are Strathmore ones. But my daughter's, which I thought was going to be fine, has paper with a tiny bit of "tooth". Most of the time she can get a good image, but she's been disappointed now and then to find stamps that are carved with very shallow lines and she's had trouble getting a decent image of these in her book. You want something with heavier weight paper that won't bleed through, but without texture and without sheen (that can smear too easily). I think all of ours were under $15. Art supply stores such as Dick Blick or Rose Art will have a large collection of fine books. Looking back on it, I kinda wish I'd have decided to take cards along and put them in my book upon return instead. I like to have enough space to write notes about the find, so I usually only put one or two stamps per page, even though I have a 7 X 7" book or so. I like that size and I like the square format, but if you don't like dragging much along while hiking and don't care about writing notes in it, you may want something smaller. I'm used to dragging photo equipment, so a little extra is ok for me. Good luck! --lunaryakketyact

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At 12:02 PM 10/13/2004, you wrote:
>Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people also
>write up a log entry? I know that with geocaching, some people write
>up an elaborate log entry where others just put their name. It seems
>like letterboxing would attract some fairly artistic folks, so would
>expect elaborate prose.

I'm the quiet type (is that muffled laughter I hear out there?), so I don't
write much beyond the date (my trail name is incorporated into my stamp).
If I'm outside my usual stamping grounds, I'll add the state where I live
just to let the planter know that letterboxers have travelled from both
near and far to visit their box.

While many letterboxers routinely add a short note when logging in to a
letterbox, it's not required.

Also, some letterboxers use their personal journals as diaries, and add the
details of their hike, who they were with, what the weather was like, the
interesting things they saw along the way, etc., to each of their letterbox
finds.


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--- Pamela Smith Lenox
wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2004, at 12:50 PM,
> fritz_monroe wrote:
>
> > I'm interested in different people's opinions, not
> just the web site
> > designer's opinion. I'm interested in how people
> came up with their
> > design, what their opinion on the different
> notebooks available, and
> > what people put into the logs.
>
My husband picked my e-mail adress, Mizscarlet, it's
a family joke. So I decieded to use that as my trail
name. As for my sig stamp it's a cat wearing a hat
with a feather, The hat and fether rfer to a
letterboxing red hat group I belong to. As for
journals, I'm a scrapbooker and use that format. I
stamp on a seperate paper and then mount the image
together with a picture of the site and a copy of the
clues. This is alot more work than most people put
into it but I enjpy the whole process.
Mizscarlet
>

>
>
>




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silentdoug@letterboxing.info writes:


> While many letterboxers routinely add a short note when logging in to a
> letterbox, it's not required.
>

I tried to write a poem in each logbook for awhile there, but so many of the
logbooks were too small, I quit doing it.

DebBee


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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
wrote:

>Where did you folks get your ideas for your personal stamps?


Our personal stamps are hand carved and reflect our trail names. Mine
is a nutty cat we use to have.


>Now for the log books.

We use spiral bound memory books picked up in Michaels Crafts. They
come in all sizes and many are less than $10.00. The paper is smooth,
acid free and thick enough not to bleed through.



> Once I'm at a letterbox, I know I stamp the books, but do people
>also write up a log entry?

We might write a few words in the letterbox logbook.


Cheers,
catbead

If there are not too many letterboxes in your area, then more are
needed. Plant some and you will help the hobby catch on.

I am from Connecticut and we have lots of boxes here. What state
are you from?

Letterboxing needs several boxes in an area for it to take off.
There may be people interested in boxing near you, but they need
enough boxes to find to catch the bug. Then it will grow in your
area. Also you can join the regional talk list. Then you can see
how many boxers are active locally.
The Bird Stamper


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher
and
> have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into
it a
> bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I
will
> probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> that many out there at this time.
>

>
> F_M

I use a cheap log book you buy @ the super market or staples etc yor about
$2. It's sprial index cards. My stamp was a bought one & is the meaning of my
name & illustrated my husband' s hobby and passion.

I only have about 50 stamps & am starting on my second book.

I planted my first box which disappeared in about three months, I had a
store made stamp.
T he second box I planted had a store bought stamp and is safe in NH.

I have just recently started to carve my own stamps. My first is part of a
new series on the Mohaw Trail, and two HHs. I hope to carve three for a
series in NH and place them this weekend when I'm up there @ my daughter's.

So there you go; my life story in the letterbox community.

STAR:W+S=DRR


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If y'all would welcome a comment from the peanut gallery...

Here's how I've made my logbooks:

I got a package of Hammermill Bright White Color Copier
acid-free paper for about $10. Not inkjet paper, which often
has coatings and different formulations in the sheets.
This isn't laser paper, either... it's "copier paper", which is
meant for higher speeds, so it's a bit stronger.

I took ten or so sheets out of the package and cut
them in quarters. I then adjusted a three-hole punch to
two-hole-punch mode, and punched holes in one longer side
of the pages. I used 1-inch binder rings (about $3/box of 20)
to hold them together.

So, I can make 12 40-page logbooks for about a buck each!

I've made the covers in a couple of different ways. I'd have to say
that they added another $1 to price of the book.

SteveS

> So, I can make 12 40-page logbooks for about a buck each!
>

Okay, the above math clearly demonstrates why
I'm NOT an accountant!

Let's try again...
500 sheets / 10 sheets per book = 50 books per package
$10 per package / 50 books = $0.20 per book!

20 rings / 2 per book = 10 books per ring box
$3 per pkg / 10 books = $0.30 per book

Okay, that's better... now I really feel better about spending
$10 on a package of paper that will never see the inside of
a copier!

SteveS

I'm in Maryland and there are quite a few here. There's about 200
listed on the site. That's not bad, but coming from the geocaching
side of the house, that's not many compared to the 1000 or more
geocaches. Now those geocaches are mostly urban micros, but there's
many that are nice hikes thru the woods.

I will start letterboxing and will carry my stamp and log in my
caching bag in case I make it to an area that's got some letterboxes I
didn't hit.

F_M

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "birder579" wrote:
>
> If there are not too many letterboxes in your area, then more are
> needed. Plant some and you will help the hobby catch on.
>
> I am from Connecticut and we have lots of boxes here. What state
> are you from?
>
> Letterboxing needs several boxes in an area for it to take off.
> There may be people interested in boxing near you, but they need
> enough boxes to find to catch the bug. Then it will grow in your
> area. Also you can join the regional talk list. Then you can see
> how many boxers are active locally.
> The Bird Stamper
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "fritz_monroe"
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm looking at starting to do some letterboxing. I'm a geocacher
> and
> > have come across some hybrid letterboxes and decided to look into
> it a
> > bit. I don't see myself getting heavily into letterboxing, but I
> will
> > probably do some on occasion. My problem is that there aren't all
> > that many out there at this time.
> >
>
> >
> > F_M